lichess.org
Donate

Won vs FM but no Elo

I played this Fide Master for a while losing a lot of games, and when I won the game, I didn't gain any Elo. Why is this so?

https://lichess.org/pwv6ID95

I played this Fide Master for a while losing a lot of games, and when I won the game, I didn't gain any Elo. Why is this so? https://lichess.org/pwv6ID95

In Lichess, a certain number of moves must be played for a game to be rated. I'm not entirely sure, but I think it has to be ten moves.

In Lichess, a certain number of moves must be played for a game to be rated. I'm not entirely sure, but I think it has to be ten moves.

I hope the other games were of higher quality. Ultra bullet with 15 seconds forces premove .... and cheapos.

I hope the other games were of higher quality. Ultra bullet with 15 seconds forces premove .... and cheapos.

@Tenakel said ^

In Lichess, a certain number of moves must be played for a game to be rated. I'm not entirely sure, but I think it has to be ten moves.

I don't think that's the case, unless it's a recent change, or applies only to ultra bullet.
For example, here's a VERY short game (just picked randomly via the analysis board), and it was rated.

https://lichess.org/TIF4cVFU#4

@Tenakel said [^](/forum/redirect/post/QCbxDZCI) > In Lichess, a certain number of moves must be played for a game to be rated. I'm not entirely sure, but I think it has to be ten moves. I don't think that's the case, unless it's a recent change, or applies only to ultra bullet. For example, here's a VERY short game (just picked randomly via the analysis board), and it was rated. https://lichess.org/TIF4cVFU#4

... that said, what's different in your case is the massive rating difference. So potentially by the combination of very short game and big rating difference, some automatic sandbagging/manipulation protection of the algorithm was triggered?

... that said, what's different in your case is the massive rating difference. So potentially by the combination of very short game and big rating difference, some automatic sandbagging/manipulation protection of the algorithm was triggered?

My guess is indeed some sandbagging triggered, but if so, its really over-agressive...

The 2 players played 47 games, and all others were rated (and this one was not last in the series)... The higher rated player receive a point or do in like 45 of the games , and loss two, (the other loss was 7 moves, and rated; the two losses were far appart). That certainly does not look anything like sandbagging.

My guess is indeed some sandbagging triggered, but if so, its really over-agressive... The 2 players played 47 games, and all others were rated (and this one was not last in the series)... The higher rated player receive a point or do in like 45 of the games , and loss two, (the other loss was 7 moves, and rated; the two losses were far appart). That certainly does not look anything like sandbagging.
<Comment deleted by user>

Dang, all this hard work and results in +0 Elo.

Dang, all this hard work and results in +0 Elo.

@MrPushwood said ^

Hard work? Hardly.

Unless you lost against them 47 times and the time you actually beat them results in 0 Elo.

@MrPushwood said [^](/forum/redirect/post/T2vTaneG) > Hard work? Hardly. Unless you lost against them 47 times and the time you actually beat them results in 0 Elo.