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Lichess Bot Trophies

You should add Bot Trophies and make it for all variants except for ultra correspondence.

SJ

You should add Bot Trophies and make it for all variants except for ultra correspondence. SJ

An award is accepted by the programmer because a chess bot remains completely indifferent. To get a trophy, a human has to put in actual effort. A chess engine isn't the one exerting itself; it's the CPU or GPU chip doing the heavy lifting.

Does a chess engine show off its sportsmanship? Do you really think a bot is thirsty for a trophy filled with a champagne cocktail? It's not the bot that needs the trophy. Instead, an "iconic bot creator" badge on a member's profile might actually be useful. Others could click on the badge and be directed straight to the bot they created. Likewise, the bot itself could feature a tag that, when clicked, sends users directly to the creator's profile.

Trophies, awards, and titles are social constructs designed by humans, for humans, to celebrate specific human virtues.

An award is accepted by the programmer because a chess bot remains completely indifferent. To get a trophy, a human has to put in actual effort. A chess engine isn't the one exerting itself; it's the CPU or GPU chip doing the heavy lifting. Does a chess engine show off its sportsmanship? Do you really think a bot is thirsty for a trophy filled with a champagne cocktail? It's not the bot that needs the trophy. Instead, an "iconic bot creator" badge on a member's profile might actually be useful. Others could click on the badge and be directed straight to the bot they created. Likewise, the bot itself could feature a tag that, when clicked, sends users directly to the creator's profile. Trophies, awards, and titles are social constructs designed by humans, for humans, to celebrate specific human virtues.

What if people just use SF? Then it would just come down to who has the best pc...

What if people just use SF? Then it would just come down to who has the best pc...

why not make BOT shield arenas

why not make BOT shield arenas

@StephenPS said ^

What if people just use SF? Then it would just come down to who has the best pc...

Exactly I run Stockfish 17.1 or 18 on my bot program and I am not using wild specs' just small threads, hash, depth, and it still runs better than 99% of bot's on the platform.

@StephenPS said [^](/forum/redirect/post/F876kiPf) > What if people just use SF? Then it would just come down to who has the best pc... Exactly I run Stockfish 17.1 or 18 on my bot program and I am not using wild specs' just small threads, hash, depth, and it still runs better than 99% of bot's on the platform.

In addition to the previous points, trophies could lead to an increase in cheating. Some bots may be tempted to use human assistance.

In addition to the previous points, trophies could lead to an increase in cheating. Some bots may be tempted to use human assistance.

@StephenPS said ^

What if people just use SF? Then it would just come down to who has the best pc...

Not that simple, good bot competition exists, and they require to be played between identical computers of organisation.
So is indeed the better algorithm who wins

@StephenPS said [^](/forum/redirect/post/F876kiPf) > What if people just use SF? Then it would just come down to who has the best pc... Not that simple, good bot competition exists, and they require to be played between identical computers of organisation. So is indeed the better algorithm who wins

-A bot depends, after the correct engine and ''settings'', purely on servers and lagg.

-A bot depends, after the correct engine and ''settings'', purely on servers and lagg.

@Ender88 said ^

What if people just use SF? Then it would just come down to who has the best pc...

Not that simple, good bot competition exists, and they require to be played between identical computers of organisation.
So is indeed the better algorithm who wins

I know that, but would it be possible for Lichess to rent computers and host such a competition? If done over online, it simply isn't possible...

@Ender88 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/HjyF2Mi8) > > What if people just use SF? Then it would just come down to who has the best pc... > > Not that simple, good bot competition exists, and they require to be played between identical computers of organisation. > So is indeed the better algorithm who wins I know that, but would it be possible for Lichess to rent computers and host such a competition? If done over online, it simply isn't possible...

Let the bots have a correspondance tournament. The bot would have a day to submit a move. That way hardware is less of a factor. If that's too long play 180+180 time controls. That should do the trick too. Chess competitions do not have to be about speed.

Let the bots have a correspondance tournament. The bot would have a day to submit a move. That way hardware is less of a factor. If that's too long play 180+180 time controls. That should do the trick too. Chess competitions do not have to be about speed.