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Elephant Gambit | The Refutation

Actually it's called the turkish gambit

Actually it's called the turkish gambit

I like the name elephant gambit because i like elephants.

I like the name elephant gambit because i like elephants.

"According to my database, the Elephant Gambit first appeared in the game Cochrane - Staunton, of 1842."
The oldest game sofar known:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.Qe2 Nf6 5.Nc3 Be7 6.Nxe4 0–0 7.d3 Re8 8.Be3 Nxd5 9.Qd2 f5 10.Nc3 f4 11.Bd4 Bb4+ 12.Kd1 c5 13.Be5 Nc6 14.d4 cxd4 15.Bxd4 Nxd4 16.Nxd4 Bg4+ 17.Be2 Rxe2 18.Ndxe2 Nxc3+ 19.bxc3 Bxc3 20.Qxd8+ Rxd8+ 21.Kc1 Bxa1 22.f3 Be6 0-1, Menke – Bode, 1811.

"According to my database, the Elephant Gambit first appeared in the game Cochrane - Staunton, of 1842." The oldest game sofar known: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.Qe2 Nf6 5.Nc3 Be7 6.Nxe4 0–0 7.d3 Re8 8.Be3 Nxd5 9.Qd2 f5 10.Nc3 f4 11.Bd4 Bb4+ 12.Kd1 c5 13.Be5 Nc6 14.d4 cxd4 15.Bxd4 Nxd4 16.Nxd4 Bg4+ 17.Be2 Rxe2 18.Ndxe2 Nxc3+ 19.bxc3 Bxc3 20.Qxd8+ Rxd8+ 21.Kc1 Bxa1 22.f3 Be6 0-1, Menke – Bode, 1811.
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A few things I would like to add:

  • 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.Qe2 Nf6 5.Nc3

5.d3! is probably a fraction better.

5...Be7

"After 6.Ne4 0-0! "Black gets huge compensation with the "e" line and White’s misplaced Queen on e2" is written or said in many sources."
All these sources are indeed wrong: it should be "?!"
The main line goes 6...Nxd5 followed by 7...0-0. The threat is now Rf8-e8 and after Lc1-e3 from White: f7-f5-f4.

  • 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.Qe2 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bf5, to put another defender on the e4-pawn as in both your games, is of course a mistake: 6.Nd4 Bg6 7.Qb5+ Nbd7 8.Qxb7 Rb8 +-.

  • 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nxe5 dxe4 4.Bc4 Qg5 5.Nxf7? Qxg2 6.Rf1 Bg4 7.Be2 Bxe2 8.Qxe2 Kxf7 9.Qc4+ Ke8 10.Qxc7 The sacrifice of a first pawn. 10...Nd7 11.Qxb7 A second. 11...Rb8 12.Qxa7 A third! 12...Bc5 13.Qa6 Ngf6 14.Qe6+ Kd8 15.Nc3? Ng4 16.Nd1?? Nxh2 0-1, an IM (2325) - me (average clubplayer), simul 2022.

  • 1.e4 e5 2.Pf3 d5 3.Pxe5 dxe4 4.Lc4 Dg5 5.d4 Qxg2 6.Bxf7+ Kd8

This move is relatively not the best, because there are some dangers to this move. Black should play 6...Ke7 instead. 7.Rf1 Bh3 7...Nd7 is also possible. 8.Bc4! Nd7!? +/-. Both players will have to play very accurately from here. 9.Nc3!? Ngf6 10.Bf4 Rd8!? 11.Qd2 Nxe5 12.Bxe5, me as Black in a 10' game, 2019. 12...Qg4 13.Th1 +/-.

7.Rf1 Pf6! 8.Bc4 Bg4 9.Be2 Be6 10.Bf4 Kc8 =, me as Black in a 10' game, 2014.

A few things I would like to add: - 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.Qe2 Nf6 5.Nc3 5.d3! is probably a fraction better. 5...Be7 "After 6.Ne4 0-0! "Black gets huge compensation with the "e" line and White’s misplaced Queen on e2" is written or said in many sources." All these sources are indeed wrong: it should be "?!" The main line goes 6...Nxd5 followed by 7...0-0. The threat is now Rf8-e8 and after Lc1-e3 from White: f7-f5-f4. - 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.Qe2 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bf5, to put another defender on the e4-pawn as in both your games, is of course a mistake: 6.Nd4 Bg6 7.Qb5+ Nbd7 8.Qxb7 Rb8 +-. - 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nxe5 dxe4 4.Bc4 Qg5 5.Nxf7? Qxg2 6.Rf1 Bg4 7.Be2 Bxe2 8.Qxe2 Kxf7 9.Qc4+ Ke8 10.Qxc7 The sacrifice of a first pawn. 10...Nd7 11.Qxb7 A second. 11...Rb8 12.Qxa7 A third! 12...Bc5 13.Qa6 Ngf6 14.Qe6+ Kd8 15.Nc3? Ng4 16.Nd1?? Nxh2 0-1, an IM (2325) - me (average clubplayer), simul 2022. - 1.e4 e5 2.Pf3 d5 3.Pxe5 dxe4 4.Lc4 Dg5 5.d4 Qxg2 6.Bxf7+ Kd8 This move is relatively not the best, because there are some dangers to this move. Black should play 6...Ke7 instead. 7.Rf1 Bh3 7...Nd7 is also possible. 8.Bc4! Nd7!? +/-. Both players will have to play very accurately from here. 9.Nc3!? Ngf6 10.Bf4 Rd8!? 11.Qd2 Nxe5 12.Bxe5, me as Black in a 10' game, 2019. 12...Qg4 13.Th1 +/-. 7.Rf1 Pf6! 8.Bc4 Bg4 9.Be2 Be6 10.Bf4 Kc8 =, me as Black in a 10' game, 2014.

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