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Computers have literally killed chess

How do we procede now on?

How do we procede now on?

Well, yeah... It's kind of the harsh truth. There's nothing much we can do about it

Well, yeah... It's kind of the harsh truth. There's nothing much we can do about it

are underlines there in forums?

Sorry for writing it here

are underlines there in forums? --- Sorry for writing it here
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...there is no accomplishment in chess that cannot now be tarnished by the insinuation of computer use. It has been a cloud over the game ever since, and there is every reason to think that this toxic culture of constant recrimination, groupthink, and popularity worship has contributed to the loss of one of our greatest talents — and, moreover, a good and decent person.

The computer did not create the toxic culture that led to Danya’s death. Vladimir Kramnik created it, fostered it, and loudly promoted it.

Suggesting that an inert device, which is neither inherently good nor bad, is responsible for this situation serves only to absolve Kramnik of all blame.

> ...there is no accomplishment in chess that cannot now be tarnished by the insinuation of computer use. It has been a cloud over the game ever since, and there is every reason to think that this toxic culture of constant recrimination, groupthink, and popularity worship has contributed to the loss of one of our greatest talents — and, moreover, a good and decent person. The computer did not create the toxic culture that led to Danya’s death. Vladimir Kramnik created it, fostered it, and loudly promoted it. Suggesting that an inert device, which is neither inherently good nor bad, is responsible for this situation serves only to absolve Kramnik of all blame.

@PawnGoesBack said in #66:

...there is no accomplishment in chess that cannot now be tarnished by the insinuation of computer use. It has been a cloud over the game ever since, and there is every reason to think that this toxic culture of constant recrimination, groupthink, and popularity worship has contributed to the loss of one of our greatest talents — and, moreover, a good and decent person.

The computer did not create the toxic culture that led to Danya’s death. Vladimir Kramnik created it, fostered it, and loudly promoted it.

Suggesting that an inert device, which is neither inherently good nor bad, is responsible for this situation serves only to absolve Kramnik of all blame.

I appreciate your point of view, but in no way am I absolving Kramnik of blame by being unconvinced of this version of "(inert device)s don't kill people, people kill people" rationale.

I do think computers and the internet in particular have exponentially amplified many societal ills - this belief is I think not a unique one but does require having experienced the world before the internet, something less and less common, especially on the internet.

@PawnGoesBack said in #66: > ...there is no accomplishment in chess that cannot now be tarnished by the insinuation of computer use. It has been a cloud over the game ever since, and there is every reason to think that this toxic culture of constant recrimination, groupthink, and popularity worship has contributed to the loss of one of our greatest talents — and, moreover, a good and decent person. > > The computer did not create the toxic culture that led to Danya’s death. Vladimir Kramnik created it, fostered it, and loudly promoted it. > > Suggesting that an inert device, which is neither inherently good nor bad, is responsible for this situation serves only to absolve Kramnik of all blame. I appreciate your point of view, but in no way am I absolving Kramnik of blame by being unconvinced of this version of "(inert device)s don't kill people, people kill people" rationale. I do think computers and the internet in particular have exponentially amplified many societal ills - this belief is I think not a unique one but does require having experienced the world before the internet, something less and less common, especially on the internet.

The computer changed chess in both good and bad ways. It promoted new ideas and broadened our thinking about many positions. But it also made cheating easier and somewhat spoiled the experience of watching GM chess. However, I think most of the problems lie in the person using the tool, not the tool itself.

The computer changed chess in both good and bad ways. It promoted new ideas and broadened our thinking about many positions. But it also made cheating easier and somewhat spoiled the experience of watching GM chess. However, I think most of the problems lie in the person using the tool, not the tool itself.

you Win or you Lose

in other words

You either Win or The other player cheated!

you Win or you Lose in other words You either Win or The other player cheated!

I might be a kid myself, but I think that people should make their own strategies, like my Queen's Gambit Opening instead of using the King Indian Defense because that is exactly how Stockfish said to do it.

I might be a kid myself, but I think that people should make their own strategies, like my Queen's Gambit Opening instead of using the King Indian Defense because that is exactly how Stockfish said to do it.